AoE root to suppression spec RM

Hey guys!

In an attempt to make caster mid groups more viable and make the spirit nuker train stronger I suggest to do like they did on live servers and add AoE root to supp spec.
What makes it really strong on live is of course that they get bolt range AoE root there. I´d say it would be a good idea to try that just to buff the state of mid caster but it could possibly make hybrid / tanker setups that run a supp RM too strong as a bieffect.

Giving them regular AoE root in supp spec line is a start but I dont think it will make a difference unless it has the bolt range.

Thu 21 Jan 2021 2:28 AM by Nephamael

i think buffing the RC line is the most needed, i don't hate your suggestion, but putting it into the strongest specline of rm is maybe not the best place it could be.

Mid already has roots on all casters and aoeroot could also be given to SM fitting his cc orientation.
For SM it could be in the Suppression line, imo the best fit to put aoeroot in Mid.

I thought about amnesia in RC single and higher in the line aoe, so a dark or supp can get single while rc rm gets aoe on top.

Aoe Root could also be in RC ofc.

Thu 21 Jan 2021 4:29 AM by ExcretusMaximus

Nephamael wrote: ↑
Thu 21 Jan 2021 2:28 AM
Aoe Root could also be in RC ofc.

Make it a bolt, with travel time, and then it can be AE bolt-range root!

Thu 21 Jan 2021 5:27 AM by easytoremember

ExcretusMaximus wrote: ↑
Thu 21 Jan 2021 4:29 AM
Nephamael wrote: ↑
Thu 21 Jan 2021 2:28 AM
Aoe Root could also be in RC ofc.

Make it a bolt, with travel time, and then it can be AE bolt-range root!

Suppression spec,
Bolt+AoERoot
not AoEBolt+Root
-and have its duration scale in the same way that the theurg aoe mez duration is stunted

If the bolt misses the subspell doesn't fire

Thu 21 Jan 2021 6:15 AM by Chamie

Bolt+Aoe sounds like an interesting idea although its not what I had in mind but what I had in mind might be too imbalanced on phoenix.

The reason why I want it is because it has already been tested. Phoenix sort of got the idea of spirit nuke from live obviously but left out the RM bolt range root.
What you say about Supp being the most used runemaster spec is actually not true. Full supp is not common, not even now after spirit buff.
Atm mid caster groups tend to prefer RC RM, dark SM, split spec BD with having both the SM and RM debuff.
While on live its supp RM, supp BD, dark SM and everyone including the SM nuking with their spirit baseline nuke. This of course because the supp RM gets the red AoE bolt range root. (Well live is weird so some ppl would go dark bd and RC RM and double debuff just because of moc field being a thing there

)

The spirit nuker train without the bolt range root on full supp RM is just way too fking weak.

Thu 21 Jan 2021 9:57 AM by chewchew

I dont like the idea of bolt-range root because it would make ichor-reroots even stronger while its already a very dull mechanic.

Thu 21 Jan 2021 11:30 AM by opossum12

Chamie wrote: ↑
Thu 21 Jan 2021 6:15 AM
Bolt+Aoe sounds like an interesting idea although its not what I had in mind but what I had in mind might be too imbalanced on phoenix.

The reason why I want it is because it has already been tested. Phoenix sort of got the idea of spirit nuke from live obviously but left out the RM bolt range root.
What you say about Supp being the most used runemaster spec is actually not true. Full supp is not common, not even now after spirit buff.
Atm mid caster groups tend to prefer RC RM, dark SM, split spec BD with having both the SM and RM debuff.
While on live its supp RM, supp BD, dark SM and everyone including the SM nuking with their spirit baseline nuke. This of course because the supp RM gets the red AoE bolt range root. (Well live is weird so some ppl would go dark bd and RC RM and double debuff just because of moc field being a thing there )

The spirit nuker train without the bolt range root on full supp RM is just way too fking weak.

Bolt range root in RC RM spec and the Animist creeping spec revamp really allowed hib and mid to be competitive cc wise with alb. But I don't think remaking the creep ani from Live here would be a good idea.

The other thing RC RMs got is the 209 energy nuke.

For the supp RM, maybe make it a single target bolt range root in Supp spec

Thu 21 Jan 2021 5:41 PM by Nephamael

Atm mid caster groups tend to prefer RC RM, dark SM, split spec BD with having both the SM and RM debuff.

At the current state of RC RM this setup makes 0 sense cause its weak.

The only viable Mid cast train currently is the spirit nuke train.

There must not be a boltrange aoeroot at the longer root durations.

I do not oppose a specline bolt+aoeroot scaling like the theurg mezz tho from 10s (lvl4) duration to 32s (lvl49 - or for rm 47 or 48 to make it specable) in RC line, that sounds rly cool actually.

What i inicially thought about was a real long aoeroot at 1500 range in RC spec.
But SM could have that one in Suppression as specline aoeroot and RM get the RC bolt+short aoeroot. Sounds to me like Mid Caster would be rly fun to play and probably somewhat competitive with Alb. (and hib as soon as ench gets the long needed buffs too)