Another try to get a bone thrown to smallmen

Started 3 Sep 2020
by Sepplord
in Suggestions
I want to try and ask again if there could be some incentive being implemented for smallmens to fight each other, similar to what the 8man groups are getting, which seems to have encouraged that playstyle from what i hear. Alternatives would also be very welcome, but i am specifically asking regarding this as the features are already ingame, fairfight toggle and list already works and the commands to give rewards already work for 8vs8

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The smallman fairfight list is almost always empty (at least friday/saturday EU 20:00-24:00). Sometimes there is one other group besides ours on there. A few weeks ago there were 2. We found each other at the smallman porter, everything was really nice. Mostly one group watched while the other two fought and then everyone roamed around until two met again. This was the first time in many months (if not the first time ever) i personally experienced this on phoenix


The issue was that the hib-smallmen was low-RR and 4people, we (mids) were also 4people but high-RR and the alb-grp were 5people mid-RR.
That resulted in us winning every fight VS the hibs (despite them doing quite well...they will be dangerous when they get a bit more RR) and the fight VS the albs was dependant on our RAs (mainly purge) being down (then we lost) or not (then we won).
For us that was great fun, even though our RP/hour went down a lot during that hour or two (aka 7-8k RP/h)

we can live with that, fun >> RP especially when you are already set.

The problem though, the hib-grp basically lost every single fight and quit after a while...they stayed surprisingly long and i believe they also had a bit fun, but they basically left with almost no rewards. And when it is just two groups left, that have already fought each other a few times it gets stale really fast and the albs left almost directly afterwards.

To be honest, i felt bad for the hibs. They put up decent fights. Were respectful and i am sure they also had a bit of fun, but in the end they got almost nothing.

I would love to try and get more interest going for smallmen groups listing themselves....there are quite a few out there most nights. But it feels like i have no arguments besides: "come fight our High-RR smallmen, you will get nothing though because there is noone else and losing gets you zero". A small reward like the GvG-fighters get could lead to more smallmen being listed which would make it much easier for everyone to find fights they can win from time to time.
Thu 3 Sep 2020 4:26 PM by necrolove1
I didn't even know there was a /gvg for smallman, this sever needs to do a better job about highlighting their changes.

Is the cap 4 or 5?
Fri 4 Sep 2020 6:25 AM by Sepplord
there is no cap and the command is identical it is "/fairfight toggle". The groupleader has to type it and you will stay listed even when changes are being made to the group.
While listed you can type "/fairfight list" to get a window that will show you all listed fairfight groups that are your groupsize ±1.

So a 4man will see all 3mans, 4mans and 5mans (not sure if 8mans can see 7man though...maybe there are exceptions to above rules)


The main difference is, that fullgroups have another command they can use after a fight, and if both groups of the fight confirm the "fair" fight, then additional (small) rewards get given out, which leads to the loser not standing there completely empty handed
Sat 5 Sep 2020 3:16 AM by Nephamael
I repeat my suggestions of the past:

/fair toggle /fair list already exists

Display the exact location like the Flag task system or even more exact: "Jukaron is close to the Crim Flag in Emain Macha" , "Xpovocs group is at the maze in Hadrian's Wall" etc.


/fair cleanfight giving the same RP reward as /gvg cleanfight.

1v1 = 1/8 of /gvg cleanfight = 125 RPs

2v2 = 2/8 of /gvg cleanfight = 250 RPs

5v5 = 5/8 of /gvg cleanfight = 625 RPs

low RR players (below RR5) could get a 500 RP bonus for all cleanfights from 1v1 to 8v8.
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