Amnesia on Healer - Phoenix Freeshard

Whenever I am fighting mids as a cleric i am spammed by amnesia (large range, low mana cost, quick cast time), stunned, bolted(large range), its hard to cast.

I propose:

Either 1) To make amnesia of healer a 1500 range ability like cleric stun, to give it a 2.5 sec stun like stun of cleric, and to increase its mana cost to prevent spamming.
They already have mez, root, stun, instant stun, and they also have amnesia, thats way too OP...

2) Give the cleric similar tools in smite spec:
at least the
2sec cast 2300 range amnesia for 3powerpoints
Bard is healclass with amnesia
Healer is healclass with amnesia
Just remove amnesia baseline from sorc and give it to cleric

Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:11 AM by Razur Ur

Centenario wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:02 AM
Whenever I am fighting mids as a cleric i am spammed by amnesia (large range, low mana cost, quick cast time), stunned, bolted(large range), its hard to cast.

I propose:

Either 1) To make amnesia of healer a 1500 range ability like cleric stun, to give it a 2.5 sec stun like stun of cleric, and to increase its mana cost to prevent spamming.
They already have mez, root, stun, instant stun, and they also have amnesia, thats way too OP...

2) Give the cleric similar tools in smite spec:
at least the
2sec cast 2300 range amnesia for 3powerpoints
Bard is healclass with amnesia
Healer is healclass with amnesia
Just remove amnesia baseline from sorc and give it to cleric

Ok plz give droods cast amnesia too :-) and bard give plz mezz shild how like sorc.

and plz dont compare insta amnesia 2000 range with bard vs cast amnesia 2300 range with sorc/healer!

Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:18 AM by gotwqqd

Razur Ur wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:11 AM
Centenario wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:02 AM
Whenever I am fighting mids as a cleric i am spammed by amnesia (large range, low mana cost, quick cast time), stunned, bolted(large range), its hard to cast.

I propose:

Either 1) To make amnesia of healer a 1500 range ability like cleric stun, to give it a 2.5 sec stun like stun of cleric, and to increase its mana cost to prevent spamming.
They already have mez, root, stun, instant stun, and they also have amnesia, thats way too OP...

2) Give the cleric similar tools in smite spec:
at least the
2sec cast 2300 range amnesia for 3powerpoints
Bard is healclass with amnesia
Healer is healclass with amnesia
Just remove amnesia baseline from sorc and give it to cleric

and plz dont compare insta amnesia 2000 range with bard vs cast amnesia 2300 range with sorc/healer!

Why

Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:24 AM by Razur Ur

gotwqqd wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:18 AM
Why

Rly? 300 loc shorter range for bard? and cannot spam amnesia how your sorc? or Healer? and you want now with cleric
cast amnesia 2300 range? if you get this then can 6 chars spell casting with 2300 range by alb caster group :-D.

Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:27 AM by Sepplord

just relaunch the server, make one healer one melee and one casterclass that get all abilities from their subtype merged into one class. Mirror that for all realms and it should result in the perfect game... right?

RIGHT?

Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:30 AM by Riac

Centenario wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:02 AM
Whenever I am fighting mids as a cleric i am spammed by amnesia (large range, low mana cost, quick cast time), stunned, bolted(large range), its hard to cast.

I propose:

Either 1) To make amnesia of healer a 1500 range ability like cleric stun, to give it a 2.5 sec stun like stun of cleric, and to increase its mana cost to prevent spamming.
They already have mez, root, stun, instant stun, and they also have amnesia, thats way too OP...

2) Give the cleric similar tools in smite spec:
at least the
2sec cast 2300 range amnesia for 3powerpoints
Bard is healclass with amnesia
Healer is healclass with amnesia
Just remove amnesia baseline from sorc and give it to cleric

this is flat out insane..... so you want the cleric and the sorc to spam amnesia in alb groups? pls get real or get a better sorc.

Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:49 AM by Centenario

https://forum.playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=13334&p=104055#p104055
page 3

Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:54 AM by Razur Ur

Centenario wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:49 AM
https://forum.playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=13334&p=104055#p104055
page 3

You forget Hibernia Druids :-D, plz remove amnesia from bard and give druids cast amnesia 2300 range and
give bard cast instand stun and ae instand stun how healer midgard :-)

Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:56 AM by Riac

ok, so lets just overhaul the game???? really???? redoing styles, moving spells to different classes?

if youre having problems casting, get a better sorc to rupt. your sorc is not doing their job and prolly trying to assist, they shouldnt be.
i think this games playerbase has shrunk to the extent that sub par players get into "good" groups and under perform leading other ppl in the group to think things are imbalanced when there are just holes in play.

Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:57 AM by Centenario

One thing at a time, first cleric smite, then we will see about bard, for sure Mythic used to make major changes/fix every patch in 2001-2003

Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:59 AM by Riac

w/e this is trash and will never see its way into the actual game.

Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:59 AM by Razur Ur

Riac wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:56 AM
ok, so lets just overhaul the game???? really???? redoing styles, moving spells to different classes?

if youre having problems casting, get a better sorc to rupt. your sorc is not doing their job and prolly trying to assist, they shouldnt be.
i think this games playerbase has shrunk to the extent that sub par players get into "good" groups and under perform leading other ppl in the group to think things are imbalanced when there are just holes in play.

he is not whining because of bad sorc rather the reason is that his cleric is too boring for him in the fight.

Fri 24 Apr 2020 9:01 AM by Centenario

Riac wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:56 AM
ok, so lets just overhaul the game???? really???? redoing styles, moving spells to different classes?

if youre having problems casting, get a better sorc to rupt. your sorc is not doing their job and prolly trying to assist, they shouldnt be.
i think this games playerbase has shrunk to the extent that sub par players get into "good" groups and under perform leading other ppl in the group to think things are imbalanced when there are just holes in play.

Im talking about what to do for cleric when you have nobody to heal, decurse, and you are in front of enemy healer/bard/druid...
So much downtime with cleric, you cant stun cause its too long cast and its not good for slam.
You can do single DD cause they have low range, low damage, high mana cost.

You just left to get rupted/trained/cced.

Nothing about doing the job of the sorc, just what utility has cleric when not support defense but support attack role.

Fri 24 Apr 2020 9:05 AM by Razur Ur

Centenario wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 9:01 AM
Riac wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:56 AM
ok, so lets just overhaul the game???? really???? redoing styles, moving spells to different classes?

if youre having problems casting, get a better sorc to rupt. your sorc is not doing their job and prolly trying to assist, they shouldnt be.
i think this games playerbase has shrunk to the extent that sub par players get into "good" groups and under perform leading other ppl in the group to think things are imbalanced when there are just holes in play.

Im talking about what to do for cleric when you have nobody to heal, decurse, and you are in front of enemy healer/bard/druid...
So much downtime with cleric, you cant stun cause its too long cast and its not good for slam.
You can do single DD cause they have low range, low damage, high mana cost.

You just left to get rupted/trained/cced.

Nothing about doing the job of the sorc, just what utility has cleric when not support defense but support attack role.

be lucky that you have not much to do with your cleric and can concentrate only for good heals and you can smite or stick up enemy support how healer/shamy
or another enemy support. over what you whining is absolutely luxury and shows how strong alb caster groups are.

Fri 24 Apr 2020 9:07 AM by Riac

Centenario wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:02 AM
Whenever I am fighting mids as a cleric i am spammed by amnesia (large range, low mana cost, quick cast time), stunned, bolted(large range), its hard to cast.

i must have misread then

Fri 24 Apr 2020 9:08 AM by Centenario

Razur Ur wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 9:05 AM
be lucky that you have not much to do with your cleric and conentrate only for good heals and you can smite or stick up enemy support how healer/shamy
or another enemy support. over what you whining is absolutely luxury and shows how strong alb caster groups are.

Im sure its not on purpose that you dont understand, I invite you to try cleric RvR 8-man. Maybe then give better feedback, I will go play a healer or a bard for 1 week and maybe review this, im 90% sure you will change your mind and I wont.

Fri 24 Apr 2020 9:09 AM by Razur Ur

Riac wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 9:07 AM
Centenario wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:02 AM
Whenever I am fighting mids as a cleric i am spammed by amnesia (large range, low mana cost, quick cast time), stunned, bolted(large range), its hard to cast.

i must have misread then

mmh ok i guess he staying only free vs hib groups :-D

Fri 24 Apr 2020 9:09 AM by Centenario

Riac wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 9:07 AM
Centenario wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 8:02 AM
Whenever I am fighting mids as a cleric i am spammed by amnesia (large range, low mana cost, quick cast time), stunned, bolted(large range), its hard to cast.

i must have misread then

What I mean here is that its unbalanced, a 2.5sec cast cannot compete with bolt range spells and low mana cost 2sec spells for interrupt and then full on CCs roots/mezz

Fri 24 Apr 2020 9:10 AM by Riac

Centenario wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 9:08 AM
Razur Ur wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 9:05 AM
be lucky that you have not much to do with your cleric and conentrate only for good heals and you can smite or stick up enemy support how healer/shamy
or another enemy support. over what you whining is absolutely luxury and shows how strong alb caster groups are.

Im sure its not on purpose that you dont understand, I invite you to try cleric RvR 8-man. Maybe then give better feedback, I will go play a healer or a bard for 1 week and maybe review this, im 90% sure you will change your mind and I wont.

so now its my job to improve your group? google how to push and pull druing fights if you need to adjust range. get your mezz sorc of the assist train.

Fri 24 Apr 2020 9:13 AM by Centenario

Riac wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 9:10 AM
so now its my job to improve your group?

These kind of comments feel like rickrolls.

You win I lose, Im better...

You can't assume that either me or my group is bad.

Fri 24 Apr 2020 9:13 AM by Razur Ur

Centenario wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 9:08 AM
Razur Ur wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 9:05 AM
be lucky that you have not much to do with your cleric and conentrate only for good heals and you can smite or stick up enemy support how healer/shamy
or another enemy support. over what you whining is absolutely luxury and shows how strong alb caster groups are.

Im sure its not on purpose that you dont understand, I invite you to try cleric RvR 8-man. Maybe then give better feedback, I will go play a healer or a bard for 1 week and maybe review this, im 90% sure you will change your mind and I wont.

Play one week a bard in rvr and i swear you, you deleted after this week the bard and like to play cleric again ;-).

Fri 24 Apr 2020 9:39 AM by Riac

Centenario wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 9:13 AM
Riac wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 9:10 AM
so now its my job to improve your group?

These kind of comments feel like rickrolls.

You win I lose, Im better...

You can't assume that either me or my group is bad.

i certainly can. if youre getting locked down like, youre either not positioning well, your group is over extending you forcing you to get in cast range, or your sorc/mini is not rupting for shit, and if you have a theurg and this is happening vs mids idk wtf their problem is. (unless youre just already straight up losing the fight.)
druids seem to make it work just fine lol.

Fri 24 Apr 2020 10:06 AM by Sepplord

if clerics need equivalent utility to healers, then shamans need equivalent healing to clerics and druids /s
we could go in those circles forever and in the end the only solution would be to remove realmdifferences and just mirror all classes.

that said, why even compare clerics to healers? if at all, then comparing them to druids would make more sense, since they have much more in common specline wise. My opening statement would still apply and i would think the demands to be ridiculous, but at least it would make slightly more sense than looking at the healer for comparison

Fri 24 Apr 2020 12:16 PM by Centenario

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 10:06 AM
if clerics need equivalent utility to healers, then shamans need equivalent healing to clerics and druids /s
we could go in those circles forever and in the end the only solution would be to remove realmdifferences and just mirror all classes.

that said, why even compare clerics to healers? if at all, then comparing them to druids would make more sense, since they have much more in common specline wise. My opening statement would still apply and i would think the demands to be ridiculous, but at least it would make slightly more sense than looking at the healer for comparison

Whatever comparison you choose:

What is the offensive support role of:
- Cleric:
- Healer:
- Friar:
- Shaman:
- Druid
- Warden
- Bard
- Mentalist: (If you consider healer)

For sure the Cleric would have the worst of them all.
The comparison with Healer, is anecdotal from yesterday night. It is a starting point for discusssion on the Cleric's offensive support capabilities LACKING.

Try do describe those offensive capabilities and just reasonably you should come to the conclusion that Cleric needs some tuning specifically in that area.
I also invite you to test cleric in RvR, you will see that in most scenarios the lacking offensive support capabilities are a real handicap, which is obvious in 1v1 healers scenarios.

Fri 24 Apr 2020 12:22 PM by Riac

they lack because all of the other classes it is surrounded by have an exceptional amount of util. the group setup has 4+ pets most of the time lol

Fri 24 Apr 2020 12:33 PM by Centenario

Riac wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 12:22 PM
they lack because all of the other classes it is surrounded by have an exceptional amount of util. the group setup has 4+ pets most of the time lol

I disagree to that, maybe explain what "exceptional amount of util they have" considering they can only do 1 action at a time and have to prioritize what they'll do at each point in time in the fight.

If i have a sorc for example: mezz/root/DD/debuff/demezz/pet/speed/Confuse/amnesia, most certainly he will just mezz and DD and throw pet, and thats maybe 30% of his toolkit used, when amnesia could have been used 50% of the time on cleric, it might be used 5% of the time on sorc.

Fri 24 Apr 2020 12:37 PM by Riac

Centenario wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 12:33 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 12:22 PM
they lack because all of the other classes it is surrounded by have an exceptional amount of util. the group setup has 4+ pets most of the time lol

I disagree to that, maybe explain what "exceptional amount of util they have" considering they can only do 1 action at a time and have to prioritize what they'll do at each point in time in the fight.

If i have a sorc for example: mezz/root/DD/debuff/demezz/pet/speed/Confuse/amnesia, most certainly he will just mezz and DD and throw pet, and thats maybe 30% of his toolkit used, when amnesia could have been used 50% of the time on cleric, it might be used 5% of the time on sorc.

so youre saying that alb classes dont have a large amount of util (aside from wiz maybe lol) because they must choose which ability to use at which time??
could the same thing not be said about the healer spamming amnesia?
you cant honestly be saying that alb groups lack util amongst the classes that generally show up in those groups? that feels so disingenuous lol
also, dont they generally run two sorcs? you have the main mezzer and then the debuffer /MA.

Fri 24 Apr 2020 1:06 PM by Razur Ur

Centenario wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 12:33 PM
If i have a sorc for example: mezz/root/DD/debuff/demezz/pet/speed/Confuse/amnesia, most certainly he will just mezz and DD and throw pet, and thats maybe 30% of his toolkit used, when amnesia could have been used 50% of the time on cleric, it might be used 5% of the time on sorc.

OMG you made my day bro :-D i cannot more laught this is the best joke ever ^_^

Fri 24 Apr 2020 1:18 PM by Riac

Razur Ur wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 1:06 PM
Centenario wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 12:33 PM
If i have a sorc for example: mezz/root/DD/debuff/demezz/pet/speed/Confuse/amnesia, most certainly he will just mezz and DD and throw pet, and thats maybe 30% of his toolkit used, when amnesia could have been used 50% of the time on cleric, it might be used 5% of the time on sorc.

OMG you made my day bro :-D i cannot more laught this is the best joke ever ^_^

i keep telling him to get a better sorc lol

Fri 24 Apr 2020 1:24 PM by Centenario

Zero valid argument from your side.
[get a taste of your own medicine: catchphrase, fallacious arguments]

Fri 24 Apr 2020 1:30 PM by Riac

Centenario wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 1:24 PM
Zero valid argument from your side.
[get a taste of your own medicine: catchphrase, fallacious arguments]

yep, def the unfair mid utility keeping you from playing cleric well.

Fri 24 Apr 2020 1:35 PM by Noashakra

Complaining that his sorc has too much to do and telling a PAC healer can spam amnesia from 2300 range non stop xD

Fri 24 Apr 2020 1:40 PM by Razur Ur

Centenario wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 1:24 PM
Zero valid argument from your side.
[get a taste of your own medicine: catchphrase, fallacious arguments]

tell us plz why playing you a class how like cleric? ^_^

Fri 24 Apr 2020 1:44 PM by Riac

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 1:35 PM
Complaining that his sorc has too much to do and telling a PAC healer can spam amnesia from 2300 range non stop xD

pac healer is obv not busy lol, hes got plenty of time to chill and spam amnesia.

Fri 24 Apr 2020 4:14 PM by Sepplord

I mean the catchphrase isn't "pacheal and chill" for nothing

Fri 24 Apr 2020 5:36 PM by Nephamael

Healer needs a long range rupt, mid only has 2 classes with long range rupts, healer and rm - same as hib had, only bard (with cooldown) and eld.
VS half of any alb castergrp having no cooldown long range rupt. (+pet advantage)

Cleric is surely in a bad position and always has been. But he is not the equivalent of a Healer but more of a Druid, clerics could be able to charm pets off smiteline or get a root or mezz imo to give them some love. Would surely make them more fun to play.

Healer doesnt need a nerf, Bard and Cleric need a buff.

Sat 25 Apr 2020 12:19 PM by Sepplord

Clerics should get pets too? So albgrps have 7pets that can target individual targets?

Sat 25 Apr 2020 1:05 PM by Azrael

Centenario wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Apr 2020 12:33 PM
I disagree to that, maybe explain what "exceptional amount of util they have" considering they can only do 1 action at a time and have to prioritize what they'll do at each point in time in the fight.

If i have a sorc for example: mezz/root/DD/debuff/demezz/pet/speed/Confuse/amnesia, most certainly he will just mezz and DD and throw pet, and thats maybe 30% of his toolkit used, when amnesia could have been used 50% of the time on cleric, it might be used 5% of the time on sorc.

rofl

Sat 25 Apr 2020 9:38 PM by Nephamael

Clerics should get pets too? So albgrps have 7pets that can target individual targets?

Well why not, it would fit the alb castergrp theme to have mass pets, one more or less wouldn't break the (already heavily in alb body train grps favor) balance for sure and would give cleric something else to do in a fight than only heal and stun.

Mon 27 Apr 2020 7:25 AM by Noashakra

Nephamael wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 9:38 PM
Clerics should get pets too? So albgrps have 7pets that can target individual targets?

Well why not, it would fit the alb castergrp theme to have mass pets, one more or less wouldn't break the (already heavily in alb body train grps favor) balance for sure and would give cleric something else to do in a fight than only heal and stun.

first of april was 4 weeks ago.