Purple base dexterity debuff for mid casters

please

Tue 7 Aug 2018 6:23 PM by Falken

2nded, it makes 0 logical sense that both other realms have red dex debuff and mid casters stopped at yellow especially considering mid isn't typically the caster realm, shouldn't they have the tools to defend against the stronger caster realms!?!?

Derp.

Tue 7 Aug 2018 9:06 PM by Takii

Falken wrote: ↑
Tue 7 Aug 2018 6:23 PM
2nded, it makes 0 logical sense that both other realms have red dex debuff and mid casters stopped at yellow especially considering mid isn't typically the caster realm, shouldn't they have the tools to defend against the stronger caster realms!?!?

Derp.

That's not much of an argument when they are the stronger melee realm. The asymmetry of the Realms is part of the reason people want to play old patches in the first place. Regardless of what you're debating, the whole "Realm is stronger at X thing" argument is pointless.

Tue 7 Aug 2018 11:46 PM by Falken

Takii wrote: ↑
Tue 7 Aug 2018 9:06 PM
Falken wrote: ↑
Tue 7 Aug 2018 6:23 PM
2nded, it makes 0 logical sense that both other realms have red dex debuff and mid casters stopped at yellow especially considering mid isn't typically the caster realm, shouldn't they have the tools to defend against the stronger caster realms!?!?

Derp.

That's not much of an argument when they are the stronger melee realm. The asymmetry of the Realms is part of the reason people want to play old patches in the first place. Regardless of what you're debating, the whole "Realm is stronger at X thing" argument is pointless.

Can you name another area like this where one realm has a tier higher buff/debuff than the other realms?

The main element of the argument is that it makes no logical sense where 2 out of 3 realms have it, regardless of their tendencies lay in archetype.

Tue 7 Aug 2018 11:48 PM by Quik

How about you give every realm the group celerity buff (I think its like 30-35%) to every realm. Correct me if I am wrong but don't Alb/Hib have a wonderful 20% bonus while Mid enjoys the 35ish%?

Give the group celerity to everyone and then give mids the better dex buff? Sounds fair =)

Tue 7 Aug 2018 11:58 PM by Falken

Quik wrote: ↑
Tue 7 Aug 2018 11:48 PM
How about you give every realm the group celerity buff (I think its like 30-35%) to every realm. Correct me if I am wrong but don't Alb/Hib have a wonderful 20% bonus while Mid enjoys the 35ish%?

Give the group celerity to everyone and then give mids the better dex buff? Sounds fair =)

Guess you didn't even read, because it's not a dex buff

WTS Comprehension

Is Celerity a base spell that a class in hib/alb get? Weird, it sounds like you are trying to compare an apple to a potato. You clearly win.

Wed 8 Aug 2018 12:13 AM by Quik

No its not a dex buff...its an attack speed buff.

They are NOT that different as the dex buff gives casters a cast speed increase and the celerity gives melee an attack speed increase.

Tell me again how they are so different.

I know the difference but you're the one now backtracking. They are BOTH BUFFS. Give the other 2 realms the celerity buff and mid can have the red dex buff.

My point is, Mid gets something the other 2 realms don't have and the other 2 realms have something mid doesn't have.

Stop trying to make this into something where they aren't even remotely close when you know they aren't that different. you just want Mid to have access to all buffs while the other 2 realms don't have access to all the buffs.

Wed 8 Aug 2018 11:59 AM by heardstheword

He's talking about Debuff, not buff.

As in strip dexterity away from enemies.

Wed 8 Aug 2018 12:14 PM by

gruenesschaf

@Quick
Mid already has the dex debuff but it's ending somewhere in level 30 (yellow), this thread is asking for a red version like the other realms have. It's the same as animists life drain ending at 45 whereas sorc / cab got one at 50.

Sometime in the i50 phase we'll look into these cases

Wed 8 Aug 2018 12:36 PM by Whitecrow

This silly biased request
If mid gets dexterity de buff.

Then fix Friars and wardens to be group usefull in 8 man vs mids overpowerd tank trains

Let's give Albion Friars Endon buff than for group Let's give them aoe stun and group combat speed buff.
Give them a single hot

Give wardens also group combat speed buff and group hot heal and pbaoe stun.

Then you might have some fairness in 8 man tank groups vs mids.

And in return mid can have dex debuff and a caster pet for spirit master.

I love this nostalgic game but face it rvr 8 man set ups are broken When comes tank groups. Friars were never fixed or wardens and are below par to shamans.

Necros what's point them rvr.

Wed 8 Aug 2018 5:51 PM by Danaeh

Disagree

Wed 8 Aug 2018 5:54 PM by Falken

Whitecrow wrote: ↑
Wed 8 Aug 2018 12:36 PM
This silly biased request
If mid gets dexterity de buff.

Then fix Friars and wardens to be group usefull in 8 man vs mids overpowerd tank trains

Let's give Albion Friars Endon buff than for group Let's give them aoe stun and group combat speed buff.
Give them a single hot

Give wardens also group combat speed buff and group hot heal and pbaoe stun.

Then you might have some fairness in 8 man tank groups vs mids.

And in return mid can have dex debuff and a caster pet for spirit master.

I love this nostalgic game but face it rvr 8 man set ups are broken When comes tank groups. Friars were never fixed or wardens and are below par to shamans.

Necros what's point them rvr.

Highly logical post, can't argue with that. You clearly seem to have some alb bias, just a touch. How many 8 man guilds rolled on mid and are running this OP tank group setup that you speak of exactly? As far as I can tell MOST 8 mans have rolled hib and alb and avoided the standard mid tank setup. I will say that mid has the easiest time pugging, but that is just because we have less classes overall and therefore more utility per class.

This is not a request to change a whole classes design, or give a whole brand new spell line, but simply adding what should have already been there from the beginning. If this happens anywhere else in the game between similar classes across realms I would fully support the class with a yellow spell/buff/debuff to get an equivalent form to their counterpart in other realms.

Wed 8 Aug 2018 5:56 PM by Ceen

Lets even out all daoc characteristics and invent arenas.

Wed 8 Aug 2018 6:29 PM by heardstheword

It's only a difference of 10 dex. (mid yellow is 38, and hib purple is 48)
It's pretty much not worth the effort.

Wed 8 Aug 2018 7:51 PM by Horus

And here we go...

Wed 8 Aug 2018 9:34 PM by Niix

Yellow has lower mana cost thus Midgard is clearly superior in mana management.. looks like they are better off

Wed 8 Aug 2018 9:50 PM by Tyton

Balance doesn't always mean everyone gets the same thing.

inbe4 daoc isn't a balanced game.

Thu 9 Aug 2018 12:14 AM by rubaduck

Tyton wrote: ↑
Wed 8 Aug 2018 9:50 PM
Balance doesn't always mean everyone gets the same thing.

inbe4 daoc isn't a balanced game.

Somewhere down the path of game development, a group of people thought F(¤("K it! We'll give everyone the exact same chances in any given situation and see if they can be happy with the result.

Guess what... they weren't and they'll never be. Let's at least have some diversity because that is kind of the attraction with Daoc in the first place.

Thu 9 Aug 2018 12:18 AM by Niix

rubaduck wrote: ↑
Thu 9 Aug 2018 12:14 AM
Tyton wrote: ↑
Wed 8 Aug 2018 9:50 PM
Balance doesn't always mean everyone gets the same thing.

inbe4 daoc isn't a balanced game.

Somewhere down the path of game development, a group of people thought F(¤("K it! We'll give everyone the exact same chances in any given situation and see if they can be happy with the result.

Guess what... they weren't and they'll never be. Let's at least have some diversity because that is kind of the attraction with Daoc in the first place.

Agreed, if Midgard is underpowered and needs help it can be buffed in other areas of its unique design... giving them red dex debuff doesn’t do anything in grand scheme of things