Necro pet stat transfer: base stats, racial bonuses and starting stats

Are Necro pets gaining +stat from base stats, racial bonuses and starting stats?

I ask because my Necromancer is Saracen and the pet casts spells (of the same cast speed) a bit slower than my shade (I press both buttons at the same time).

Fri 28 Jun 2019 9:51 PM by Choa

Hello

I made serveral tests with different start stats, equip, buffs and RA´s.

My result is that the Pet has always 60 Dex, with Level 4 or Level 50. Startdex 17 or 0 (same race). Castspeed is exact 3.00 sec.
Equipment Buffs and RA´s (Aug Dex and MotA) increase the casting speed.

Fri 28 Jun 2019 11:11 PM by teiloh

Choa wrote: ↑
Fri 28 Jun 2019 9:51 PM
Hello

I made serveral tests with different start stats, equip, buffs and RA´s.

My result is that the Pet has always 60 Dex, with Level 4 or Level 50. Startdex 17 or 0 (same race). Castspeed is exact 3.00 sec.
Equipment Buffs and RA´s (Aug Dex and MotA) increase the casting speed.

Oh strange. Wonder if that was how it was on live too.

Sat 29 Jun 2019 1:36 AM by

gruenesschaf

While we aren't sure about that either, there really isn't a way to test it anymore and sources were conflicting. We opted for only making item bonuses and ras transfer.

Mon 1 Jul 2019 5:23 PM by teiloh

gruenesschaf wrote: ↑
Sat 29 Jun 2019 1:36 AM
While we aren't sure about that either, there really isn't a way to test it anymore and sources were conflicting. We opted for only making item bonuses and ras transfer.

From what I see it looks like players are saying the pet had its own base stats, so it matches up in principle to how it works here.

But it seems like Necro pets cast much faster back then than they do here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvpJ1RmgNVQ

I'm assuming this is with +26 dex from ToA, +185 dex from ToA bot buffs, and and no Aug Dex or +% Casting since it did nothing for Necros. Yet it's casting much faster than my pet does with Aug Dex 5, MoA 6 and red Cleric buffs with Arcane 7.

Is this due to the changes here? : https://forum.playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2334&p=13105&hilit=npc#p13105

-- str gain has been reduced by 25%
-- dex, qui, int gain has been halved

Right now Necromancer pets are taking a lot more damage than they were before the absorb changes as well. At this point, it seems like Necros are moving in the direction of being player-like, and so their stats, resists and con should probably improve if they aren't getting most of the benefits from being a mob like on live (major stat and absorb scaling, 10-100% critical damage, etc)

Mon 1 Jul 2019 5:33 PM by Mavella

All I know is with the additional con necros get I styled one over the weekend for 50 mainhand damage and got hit back by a damage shieldn 65. I'm sure the offhand was similar hit for 15 hit back for 25. This is of course inside a tower that the abomination is just strolling around inside of while the door is up.

I'm sure it was a focus shield. Maybe LOS needs to be maintained in these situations cause I watched multiple people kill themselves to death standing next to the tower lord as it stood there with its thumb up its ass.

Mon 1 Jul 2019 5:42 PM by teiloh

Necros didn't get additional con, they got additional HP scaling from Con. So it has a higher HP pool, not more absorb, unless pet absorb was also fixed in an undocumented change.

Mon 1 Jul 2019 5:54 PM by Choa

Mavella wrote: ↑
Mon 1 Jul 2019 5:33 PM
All I know is with the additional con necros get I styled one over the weekend for 50 mainhand damage and got hit back by a damage shieldn 65. I'm sure the offhand was similar hit for 15 hit back for 25. This is of course inside a tower that the abomination is just strolling around inside of while the door is up.

I'm sure it was a focus shield. Maybe LOS needs to be maintained in these situations cause I watched multiple people kill themselves to death standing next to the tower lord as it stood there with its thumb up its ass.

Necro has no Focus dmg Shield.
It has a 30 sec dmg shield buff.
And like you discribe it must be the Red Buff of a servant necro (Bomb skilled, no big mana leech, infight lifeleech)

Mon 1 Jul 2019 6:12 PM by Mavella

Choa wrote: ↑
Mon 1 Jul 2019 5:54 PM
Mavella wrote: ↑
Mon 1 Jul 2019 5:33 PM
All I know is with the additional con necros get I styled one over the weekend for 50 mainhand damage and got hit back by a damage shieldn 65. I'm sure the offhand was similar hit for 15 hit back for 25. This is of course inside a tower that the abomination is just strolling around inside of while the door is up.

I'm sure it was a focus shield. Maybe LOS needs to be maintained in these situations cause I watched multiple people kill themselves to death standing next to the tower lord as it stood there with its thumb up its ass.

Necro has no Focus dmg Shield.
It has a 30 sec dmg shield buff.
And like you discribe it must be the Red Buff of a servant necro (Bomb skilled, no big mana leech, infight lifeleech)

He was doing a lot of aoe and had a cleric with him so of course the pet is just getting healed through the wall. Sounds like you are right on the spec however . The amount of damage reduction even after being enervated and str/con debuffed on the pet is just stupid though.

Mon 1 Jul 2019 6:15 PM by teiloh

Mavella wrote: ↑
Mon 1 Jul 2019 6:12 PM
He was doing a lot of aoe and had a cleric with him so of course the pet is just getting healed through the wall. Sounds like you are right on the spec however . The amount of damage reduction even after being enervated and str/con debuffed on the pet is just stupid though.

The Cleric probably used BOF.

Mon 1 Jul 2019 7:23 PM by Mavella

teiloh wrote: ↑
Mon 1 Jul 2019 6:15 PM
Mavella wrote: ↑
Mon 1 Jul 2019 6:12 PM
He was doing a lot of aoe and had a cleric with him so of course the pet is just getting healed through the wall. Sounds like you are right on the spec however . The amount of damage reduction even after being enervated and str/con debuffed on the pet is just stupid though.

The Cleric probably used BOF.

I'm pretty familiar with the BOF animation and didn't see it go off. I remember this being an issue on live as con goes up let absorb goes through the roof and the pet gets comically tanky to physical damage.

Mon 1 Jul 2019 7:40 PM by teiloh

Mavella wrote: ↑
Mon 1 Jul 2019 7:23 PM
teiloh wrote: ↑
Mon 1 Jul 2019 6:15 PM
Mavella wrote: ↑
Mon 1 Jul 2019 6:12 PM
He was doing a lot of aoe and had a cleric with him so of course the pet is just getting healed through the wall. Sounds like you are right on the spec however . The amount of damage reduction even after being enervated and str/con debuffed on the pet is just stupid though.

The Cleric probably used BOF.

I'm pretty familiar with the BOF animation and didn't see it go off. I remember this being an issue on live as con goes up let absorb goes through the roof and the pet gets comically tanky to physical damage.

The patch notes says they increased hits per con, not con though.

Mon 1 Jul 2019 7:57 PM by easytoremember

Mavella wrote: ↑
Mon 1 Jul 2019 7:23 PM
I'm pretty familiar with the BOF animation and didn't see it go off. I remember this being an issue on live as con goes up let absorb goes through the roof and the pet gets comically tanky to physical damage.

Given he was obviously using the highest lv damage shield, that necro can't spec any abs from DS
Clerics can boost the pet's absorb with CON, STR/CON, DEX, DEX/QUI, AF, Spec AF
It will be even higher if they had a DS necro providing red abs

Your poison will only potentially cancel out the Cleric's STR/CON
In a fight against a solo necro your poison negates the best STR/CON available from PW (43)

Mon 1 Jul 2019 8:47 PM by florin

His high death servant gives him a decent hot. Also group heal and spread heal don’t need los.

Mon 1 Jul 2019 9:00 PM by Mavella

Yeah ultimately it could have been BoF I just don't know why the cleric would have popped it in that situation or could even see how much damage the pet might be taking.

I have never hit an abomination for 50 styled mainhand damage before on phoenix at least. Guess I'll keep an eye out and see if hit others for similar numbers especially after debuffs are applied.