Miss-chance - a bit puzzled - Phoenix Freeshard

Noticed in RvR I got a 14.65% miss-chance on my offhand with 50+17 Left-Axe on an AFK-enemy. That seemed high, so I went to test on a dummy:

Mainhand with 35+17 Sword : 15.40%
Offhand with 50+17 Left-Axe: 14.65%

What I don't understand:

According to devs our base-damage is maxxed at 52 composite weapon-spec. However, this is not entirely true as the miss-rate seems to go down by going over 52 spec judging my offhand miss-rate in relation to my main-hand, is that correct ?

Furthermore, I find ~15% miss-rate quite high, is that correct and the same in Hib/Alb ? Can a INF/Merc/BM/NS confirm these numbers? The numbers on the level 50 training dummies are consistent with my RvR-results.

Fri 19 Jul 2019 7:40 AM by Sepplord

you are mixing up two things (missrates and damage calculations) and seem to misunderstand the 52compspec stipulation

52compspecc caps out your dmg IF (and only then) you are using styles from a different specline. Aka an assassin using DW/LA/CD/CS-styles having specced their respective weaponline to comp52.
If the assassin uses the actual styles from the weaponline (for example sword/axe as SB) then you would also gain dmg from speccing higher than 52compspecc.

A hunter (as example on the other side) would not care about 52compspecc, as he always uses styles from his weaponline when fighting

Regarding missrates i am confused by your values as well, i was under the assumption that missrates are fixed, and only influenced by a styles to-hit-bonus/malus

Fri 19 Jul 2019 8:16 AM by jelzinga_EU

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Fri 19 Jul 2019 7:40 AM
you are mixing up two things (missrates and damage calculations) and seem to misunderstand the 52compspec stipulation

52compspecc caps out your dmg IF (and only then) you are using styles from a different specline. Aka an assassin using DW/LA/CD/CS-styles having specced their respective weaponline to comp52.
If the assassin uses the actual styles from the weaponline (for example sword/axe as SB) then you would also gain dmg from speccing higher than 52compspecc.

A hunter (as example on the other side) would not care about 52compspecc, as he always uses styles from his weaponline when fighting

Regarding missrates i am confused by your values as well, i was under the assumption that missrates are fixed, and only influenced by a styles to-hit-bonus/malus

I understand both principles, as I said BASE-damage (so without style-bonus). 2H also gets an additional bonus - so speccing over 52 besides the style-bonus is always worth it there.

My entire point is that base-damage might be capped, but if your miss-rate is lowered by speccing higher weapon it ends up in higher damage (over-time). Not so much because the base-damage is higher, but simply because you miss less.The entire concept is assuming fixed miss-rates, which seems not to be the case.

So as a test I equipped an offhand in my mainhand (ending up with 1+11 Axe) --> 17.39 % miss-rate

12 =17.39%
52 = 15.40%
67 = 14.65%
Missrate = 18% - 0.05%*Weaponspec

Fri 19 Jul 2019 9:02 AM by Turano

Did you enchant the 35% bonus on your weapons?

ops:

Fri 19 Jul 2019 12:28 PM by bm01

jelzinga_EU wrote: ↑
Fri 19 Jul 2019 8:16 AM
So as a test I equipped an offhand in my mainhand (ending up with 1+11 Axe) --> 17.39 % miss-rate

12 =17.39%
52 = 15.40%
67 = 14.65%
Missrate = 18% - 0.05%*Weaponspec

Apparently you're right. 39+9 Hammer gives me 15.6% missrate, 42+13 Shield gives me 15.25%.

Fri 19 Jul 2019 1:13 PM by Ashok

While the base miss rate seems high, it's 1:1 reduced by the styles to-hit bonus.

Low = +5%
Medium = +10%
High = +15%
Very High = +20%

Most styles have a medium hit bonus, thus lowering the miss chance below 8%.

66 composite spec on screen

Fri 19 Jul 2019 1:32 PM by nixxo87

15% chance to miss slam is a joke

Fri 19 Jul 2019 2:31 PM by jelzinga_EU

Ashok wrote: ↑
Fri 19 Jul 2019 1:13 PM
While the base miss rate seems high, it's 1:1 reduced by the styles to-hit bonus.

Low = +5%
Medium = +10%
High = +15%
Very High = +20%

Most styles have a medium hit bonus, thus lowering the miss chance below 8%.

66 composite spec on screen

a) My point was that it is odd that miss-rate isn't minimized @ 52 composite-spec - so there is an advantage to going over 52 composite-spec
b) To-hit bonusses do not apply to offhands.

Point a) is quite unexpected, seeing as we're always told 52 weapon-spec is fine. It is fine for maximizing damage when it hits, but the hit-rate is not maximized with 52-spec - so there is an advantage to going over 52 composite-spec (even tho very small).

Point b) was already known and pointed out months ago in the SB-balancing thread but it seems to be mostly ignored.

"Most styles have a medium hit bonus" --> Doublefrost doesn't

Fri 19 Jul 2019 3:24 PM by

gruenesschaf

52 weapon spec is fine, if you're using a dw style it uses the higher of dw or base weapon spec for this miss reduction. And afaik the style to hit bonus is not supposed to apply to the offhand.

The spec based miss reduction is kind of meant to somewhat emulate the 5% miss reduction that's inherent to toa artifacts / other high level drop items around toa.