Minstrels - Charmed Pets and inability to CC

I don't want this to be another 'I hate minstrels' post but I would like the staff to answer.

A minstrel cannot be mezzed as they will call the pet to them and have it break mezz and then recharm on next tick. The pet can't be mezzed as the minstrel will just hit the pet and break the mezz.

Is the current way charmed pets work, specifically for minstrels, working as intended or is there any discussion to change this so they work like other pet classes?

Thu 20 May 2021 8:28 PM by

gruenesschaf

I think this thread is best answered by the community, I'm sure only well thought out and friendly replies are coming.

Thu 20 May 2021 8:34 PM by bculpepper

gruenesschaf wrote: ↑
Thu 20 May 2021 8:28 PM
I'm sure only well thought out and friendly replies are coming.

I know better than that....

The reason I ask is - I'm not sure if its valuable to complain or suggest a change. It could be one of the defining characteristics of the class for all I know. I've never played a minstrel so can't speak to it. I have my own thoughts about it, but if its working as intended then I just need to keep it to myself and move on. That's why I ask.

Thu 20 May 2021 9:11 PM by

gruenesschaf

bculpepper wrote: ↑
Thu 20 May 2021 8:34 PM
I know better than that....

The reason I ask is - I'm not sure if its valuable to complain or suggest a change. It could be one of the defining characteristics of the class for all I know. I've never played a minstrel so can't speak to it. I have my own thoughts about it, but if its working as intended then I just need to keep it to myself and move on. That's why I ask.

The short answer is it's working as intended. The minstrel pet and minstrel charm mechanic has already been nerfed numerous times and especially the last one, charm removal no longer removing negative effects, was rather severe. Not undeservedly though, the minstrel has pretty much just been reduced from a ridiculous level to a merely stupid level.

Thu 20 May 2021 9:57 PM by bculpepper

gruenesschaf wrote: ↑
Thu 20 May 2021 9:11 PM
The short answer is it's working as intended. The minstrel pet and minstrel charm mechanic has already been nerfed numerous times and especially the last one, charm removal no longer removing negative effects, was rather severe. Not undeservedly though, the minstrel has pretty much just been reduced from a ridiculous level to a merely stupid level.

Thanks for the honest feedback. The pet manipulation is my pet peeve (no pun intended) - but c’est la vie.

Fri 21 May 2021 6:19 AM by Noashakra

Mez the ministrel first with single mez and then the pet. Or Aemez when they are both close
Don't mez the pet first.

Fri 21 May 2021 4:45 PM by bculpepper

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Fri 21 May 2021 6:19 AM
Mez the ministrel first with single mez and then the pet. Or Aemez when they are both close
Don't mez the pet first.

And if you are a skald with a single target mezz on a 30 second cooldown?

Fri 21 May 2021 5:29 PM by evert

bculpepper wrote: ↑
Fri 21 May 2021 4:45 PM
Noashakra wrote: ↑
Fri 21 May 2021 6:19 AM
Mez the ministrel first with single mez and then the pet. Or Aemez when they are both close
Don't mez the pet first.

And if you are a skald with a single target mezz on a 30 second cooldown?

Buy time by mezzing the minstrel and kill the pet. Or if they look really nooby just mezz the pet and watch them panic.

Fri 21 May 2021 5:31 PM by Noashakra

I am not an expert in skalds, but there are ways to manage the mincer, but ask a good solo skald for that. I don't want to tell you stupid advices.

Fri 21 May 2021 6:08 PM by bculpepper

evert wrote: ↑
Fri 21 May 2021 5:29 PM
Buy time by mezzing the minstrel and kill the pet. Or if they look really nooby just mezz the pet and watch them panic.

The point of this post is that you can't mezz the minstrel and kill the pet. The minstrel uses the pet to break the mezz. The minstrel, nor the pet, can be single target mezzed due to the mechanics of the charmed pet.

If you look on the Skald guide that Catkain created the section on how to deal with minstrels is blank. I don't think it was an oversight

Fri 21 May 2021 6:24 PM by evert

bculpepper wrote: ↑
Fri 21 May 2021 6:08 PM
evert wrote: ↑
Fri 21 May 2021 5:29 PM
Buy time by mezzing the minstrel and kill the pet. Or if they look really nooby just mezz the pet and watch them panic.

The point of this post is that you can't mezz the minstrel and kill the pet. The minstrel uses the pet to break the mezz. The minstrel, nor the pet, can be single target mezzed due to the mechanics of the charmed pet.

If you look on the Skald guide that Catkain created the section on how to deal with minstrels is blank. I don't think it was an oversight

Just trying to give some advice

and I’ve killed more minstrels than Catkain has

Fri 21 May 2021 10:23 PM by ExcretusMaximus

bculpepper wrote: ↑
Fri 21 May 2021 6:08 PM
The point of this post is that you can't mezz the minstrel and kill the pet. The minstrel uses the pet to break the mezz. The minstrel, nor the pet, can be single target mezzed due to the mechanics of the charmed pet.

That's not how it works. Maybe you should play a Minstrel and learn the mechanics before spouting off "facts" that aren't true.

In order to use the pet to break mez, the pet must be released. Once the pet is released, it goes to the Minstrel as if the Minstrel had aggro, but any single hit of any taunt style will turn the former pet onto the person attacking it. So yes, you can mez the Minstrel and kill the pet.

Fri 21 May 2021 10:44 PM by Babajaga

70% of phoenix community asking about changes that doesnt even exist on live.

Grow up and learn to play.

That is all for me.

Thu 27 May 2021 10:54 AM by lurker

ExcretusMaximus wrote: ↑
Fri 21 May 2021 10:23 PM
bculpepper wrote: ↑
Fri 21 May 2021 6:08 PM
The point of this post is that you can't mezz the minstrel and kill the pet. The minstrel uses the pet to break the mezz. The minstrel, nor the pet, can be single target mezzed due to the mechanics of the charmed pet.

That's not how it works. Maybe you should play a Minstrel and learn the mechanics before spouting off "facts" that aren't true.

In order to use the pet to break mez, the pet must be released. Once the pet is released, it goes to the Minstrel as if the Minstrel had aggro, but any single hit of any taunt style will turn the former pet onto the person attacking it. So yes, you can mez the Minstrel and kill the pet.

Only if the minstrel isnt playing properly.

You don't release the pet until all three criteria are met: it is on passive, standing on your spot (come here), and out of it swing timer.
At which point releasing it will immediately cause it to hit you and this cant be stopped afaik.

Thu 27 May 2021 11:09 AM by Noashakra

Snare the pet at the inc, mez the ministrel and wait for the charm to not pulse anymore.
I don't understand how a skald can complain about ministrel, it's one of the worst adversary the ministrel can fight.

Thu 27 May 2021 11:21 AM by Sepplord

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Thu 27 May 2021 11:09 AM
it's one of the worst adversary the ministrel can fight.

That doesn't neccessarily mean that skalds don't have reasons to complain, though.
Not saying that they should complain...but that reasoning isn't logically sound

Sat 29 May 2021 11:00 AM by Noashakra

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Thu 27 May 2021 11:21 AM
Noashakra wrote: ↑
Thu 27 May 2021 11:09 AM
it's one of the worst adversary the ministrel can fight.

That doesn't neccessarily mean that skalds don't have reasons to complain, though.
Not saying that they should complain...but that reasoning isn't logically sound

There are plenty things to complain about the ministrel, but a skald saying he can't do anything when it's one the worst matchup for a mincer, and if he plays well there is little the mincer can do...