Mastery or arms/archery vs aug quickness

Hello everyone,

I was womdering if anyone knew what was a better investment ra wise?

Tue 26 Feb 2019 1:58 PM by Dominus

I thought the same thing. They're basically affecting swing/bow speed similarly. I compared the percentage gain from MoA to Aug Quick and the numbers were basically the same. I went Aug Quick.

Tue 26 Feb 2019 3:12 PM by Bradekes

From a grab bag it states quickness can increase attack speed up to 40%. Less than or equal to base 60 in qui does nothing. Quickness has a hard cap of 250 for weapon speed. So 250-60=190. 190/40=4.75. Would dictate 4.75 quickness=1% attackspeed.

Remember though Mastery of Arms is factored in after quickness. So a 4.0 weapon with 202 quickness would be at (202-60)/4.75=~30% attackspeed from quickness 30% meaning 4.0 weapon is now at 4.0×0.7=2.8 attack speed. Now do you want MoA for 15% attackspeed or Aug Quick to cap qui to 250?

MoA 15%
2.8×0.85=2.38

Aug Qui -202+48=250qui
4.0×0.6=2.4

So they are equal unless you would go over 250quickness
Also keep in mind quickness also affects Dodge%

Wed 27 Feb 2019 8:12 AM by Durgrim

So, how many quickness and Mastery of Archery would you need to reach the cap of 1.5s per Shot with the slowest possible bow?

Wed 27 Feb 2019 9:38 AM by Ceen

Archers on this server always caring about Rapid Fire, easy RP all the time thx

Help 30 damage is killing me hrhr

Wed 27 Feb 2019 11:33 AM by Bradekes

Durgrim wrote: ↑
Wed 27 Feb 2019 8:12 AM
So, how many quickness and Mastery of Archery would you need to reach the cap of 1.5s per Shot with the slowest possible bow?

The only way you would reach 1.5s on a 5.4sp bow would be with 250qui × MoA9 × 20%haste × 31%celerity

Meaning only hunter could actually accomplish this.

Wed 27 Feb 2019 12:15 PM by Durgrim

Bradekes wrote: ↑
Wed 27 Feb 2019 11:33 AM
Durgrim wrote: ↑
Wed 27 Feb 2019 8:12 AM
So, how many quickness and Mastery of Archery would you need to reach the cap of 1.5s per Shot with the slowest possible bow?

The only way you would reach 1.5s on a 5.4sp bow would be with 250qui × MoA9 × 20%haste × 31%celerity

Meaning only hunter could actually accomplish this.

a hunter does not have access to a 5.4 bow afaik

5.0 is max
and why would you consider only hunter?

Wed 27 Feb 2019 12:31 PM by Bradekes

Durgrim wrote: ↑
Wed 27 Feb 2019 12:15 PM
a hunter does not have access to a 5.4 bow afaik 5.0 is max
and why would you consider only hunter?

No other realm has celerity, simple enough

ohh okay I'm hib so wasn't sure about mids bow speeds

Thu 28 Feb 2019 2:58 PM by Horus

Haste and celerity do not affect bow shot speed...at least they traditionally never have...don't know if that is custom on Phoenix or not...

Thu 28 Feb 2019 3:55 PM by Bradekes

Horus wrote: ↑
Thu 28 Feb 2019 2:58 PM
Haste and celerity do not affect bow shot speed...at least they traditionally never have...don't know if that is custom on Phoenix or not...

I don't see why Haste and Celerity would not affect bowspeed. Easy enough to test though, atleast for haste. Someone wanna confirm I'm at work or I would.

Fri 1 Mar 2019 2:58 AM by Bradekes

Okay, so I was able to test it with 14% haste potion. Haste does not affect shot speed on bows, which seems weird. So there is no way to get a 5.4 or 5.0 speed bow to 1.5seconds! Good catch Horus

Fri 1 Mar 2019 2:15 PM by Dominus

with yellow dex/qui from pathfinding, and Aug Qui V, my rapid fire I is 1.5s on the 5.2 Galla bow (Olcasgean Warped Branch)

Fri 1 Mar 2019 2:32 PM by Bradekes

Dominus wrote: ↑
Fri 1 Mar 2019 2:15 PM
with yellow dex/qui from pathfinding, and Aug Qui V, my rapid fire I is 1.5s on the 5.2 Galla bow (Olcasgean Warped Branch)

Rapid fire works different. It's made to make you shoot at whatever speed you want but lowers the damage depending on how fast you release your arrows.

Rapid Fire

The three Archers now also receive a new ability called "Rapid Fire", which allows them to release their bow shot before the normal bow timer. Here's the details:

- When an Archer has this skill, at any time after halfway through their normal bow timer they can release the shot.

- If you release the shot 75% through the normal timer, the shot (if it hits) does 75% of its normal damage. If you release 50% through the timer, you do 50% of the damage, and so forth - The faster the shot, the less damage it does.

- Rapid Fire shots takes the same endurance as a normal bow shot, but do less damage.

- Archers receive Rapid Fire 1 at 35 specialization level in their particular bow skill, and Rapid Fire 2 at spec level 45. The difference between the two is how much endurance they take - RF 2 takes less endurance than RF 1.

- Please note that you cannot use Rapid Fire with Longshot or Volley

Fri 1 Mar 2019 3:12 PM by Dominus

ah, they were talking about 1.5s on a normal shot! self buff and combined forces only get me to 3.0 on a 5.2 bow with Aug Qui V and MoA 1

Sat 2 Mar 2019 5:22 PM by Sepphiroth75

what is your quickness at Dominus?

Sat 2 Mar 2019 5:23 PM by Sepphiroth75

Bradekes wrote: ↑
Tue 26 Feb 2019 3:12 PM
From a grab bag it states quickness can increase attack speed up to 40%. Less than or equal to base 60 in qui does nothing. Quickness has a hard cap of 250 for weapon speed. So 250-60=190. 190/40=4.75. Would dictate 4.75 quickness=1% attackspeed.

Remember though Mastery of Arms is factored in after quickness. So a 4.0 weapon with 202 quickness would be at (202-60)/4.75=~30% attackspeed from quickness 30% meaning 4.0 weapon is now at 4.0×0.7=2.8 attack speed. Now do you want MoA for 15% attackspeed or Aug Quick to cap qui to 250?

MoA 15%
2.8×0.85=2.38

Aug Qui -202+48=250qui
4.0×0.6=2.4

So they are equal unless you would go over 250quickness
Also keep in mind quickness also affects Dodge%

if you ran 4.3 main and 2.6 off with 241 quick what would it take to get to 1.5 cap?

Sat 2 Mar 2019 7:37 PM by noflex

Does anyone know the bow speed cap? Rapid fire cap is 1.5s but what about normal bow shot.. is it 2.2s or can it get lower?

Currently with cap quick and 4.0 speed bow with moa 5 my shot speed is 2.2s

Sat 2 Mar 2019 11:35 PM by Cadeg

During beta, and before NF RA// RR13 ( or more ) for free, on my 8L scout, best RA spec ( for 5.5 craft bow with d/q charge, full templated ) was mastery of archery6+aug quickness 5 ( and give you something like 250 quickness ) to cap it at 3.0 sec for normal/standard shot, and critical shot around 3.5 or 3.4 sec ... not really worth more point to take 0.1 sec on both shot ...
i haven't test since release ...

Sun 3 Mar 2019 3:06 PM by Bradekes

Sepphiroth75 wrote: ↑
Sat 2 Mar 2019 5:23 PM
if you ran 4.3 main and 2.6 off with 241 quick what would it take to get to 1.5 cap?

{} 4.3+2.6=6.9 {} 6.9÷2=3.45 {} Base Attack Speed = 3.45/s

{} 241-60=181 {} 181÷4.75=38.1 {} 100-38.1=61.8 {} 3.45x0.618=2.1 {} Quickness Attack Speed = 2.1/s

20% haste {} 100-20=80 {} 2.1x0.8= 1.68

So even with 20% haste buff you wouldn't quite hit cap. You could add the 9 more qui and get it down to 2.0/s after that tho it is just balancing what haste effect you normally have and the amount of MoA you need to hit cap.

Sun 3 Mar 2019 3:11 PM by Sepphiroth75

Bradekes wrote: ↑
Sun 3 Mar 2019 3:06 PM
Sepphiroth75 wrote: ↑
Sat 2 Mar 2019 5:23 PM
if you ran 4.3 main and 2.6 off with 241 quick what would it take to get to 1.5 cap?

{} 4.3+2.6=6.9 {} 6.9÷2=3.45 {} Base Attack Speed = 3.45/s

{} 241-60=181 {} 181÷4.75=38.1 {} 100-38.1=61.8 {} 3.45x0.618=2.1 {} Quickness Attack Speed = 2.1/s

20% haste {} 100-20=80 {} 2.1x0.8= 1.68

So even with 20% haste buff you wouldn't quite hit cap. You could add the 9 more qui and get it down to 2.0/s after that tho it is just balancing what haste effect you normally have and the amount of MoA you need to hit cap.

hmm probably need alot of MoA to get that to close to 1.5

Mon 4 Mar 2019 1:16 AM by Frieza

stupid question im sure, but i thought aug dex affected your bow speed? but its only bow dps here?

Tue 5 Mar 2019 12:21 AM by Stimmed

As far as I know haste has never effected bow speed? Haste or celerity.

And yeah Quick is bow speed Dex is bow damage.

Tue 5 Mar 2019 7:34 AM by Durgrim

what is the current cap for quickness affecting the bow speed?

Wed 6 Mar 2019 2:56 AM by Stimmed

I would guess 250? same as for melee attacks?

Wed 6 Mar 2019 4:03 AM by Fooj Fujiyama

I tried mastery of archery 8 and mastery of quick 8 seperately and both had me at around 3.3 speed. Now I am using mastery of quick 5 and mastery of archery 5 at the same time and it is 3 second normal shots, so yea I am happy I did that it feels much better!