Be nice to know one way or another...
daytonchambers wrote: ↑Sat 30 May 2020 4:36 PMIt came in the form of crit shot no longer having an increased chance to uncover you when shooting, and pen arrow 2 punching bladeturn.
And speaking as a player of multiple archer classes.... that alone plus the damage boost is more than enough
imweasel wrote: ↑Sun 31 May 2020 8:29 AMdaytonchambers wrote: ↑Sat 30 May 2020 4:36 PMIt came in the form of crit shot no longer having an increased chance to uncover you when shooting, and pen arrow 2 punching bladeturn.
And speaking as a player of multiple archer classes.... that alone plus the damage boost is more than enough
So what's the sweet spot spec for the best bang for your buck? 35? 40? 45? For a ranger or scout. Since it seems pretty linear on damage per spec point, at what point do you start getting diminishing returns? Is rapid fire 2 worth it?
I think scout is in better place choice wise for higher/sniper bow specimweasel wrote: ↑Sun 31 May 2020 8:29 AMdaytonchambers wrote: ↑Sat 30 May 2020 4:36 PMIt came in the form of crit shot no longer having an increased chance to uncover you when shooting, and pen arrow 2 punching bladeturn.
And speaking as a player of multiple archer classes.... that alone plus the damage boost is more than enough
So what's the sweet spot spec for the best bang for your buck? 35? 40? 45? For a ranger or scout. Since it seems pretty linear on damage per spec point, at what point do you start getting diminishing returns? Is rapid fire 2 worth it?
daytonchambers wrote: ↑Sun 31 May 2020 4:06 PMimweasel wrote: ↑Sun 31 May 2020 8:29 AMdaytonchambers wrote: ↑Sat 30 May 2020 4:36 PMIt came in the form of crit shot no longer having an increased chance to uncover you when shooting, and pen arrow 2 punching bladeturn.
And speaking as a player of multiple archer classes.... that alone plus the damage boost is more than enough
So what's the sweet spot spec for the best bang for your buck? 35? 40? 45? For a ranger or scout. Since it seems pretty linear on damage per spec point, at what point do you start getting diminishing returns? Is rapid fire 2 worth it?
Rapidfire 2 has the same damage as the one gained at the 35 spec with better endo efficiency. Personally I have tried archery at 35, 40, 45, and 50 and while the damage now continues to increase past composite 52 archery you lose SO much versatility going too deep in the line.
For me, I pushed archery as high as I could while keeping composite 52 Mainhand weapon and composite 50 stealth. As I RR up I'll lower these to maintain the composite cap and shift those points over to boost archery further. This gives me decent ranged dps while not being instant food if I'm ever caught in melee while travelling.
gotwqqd wrote: ↑Sun 31 May 2020 4:20 PMI think scout is in better place choice wise for higher/sniper bow spec
They can easily get their 45 shield and stealth
Their shield will do more damage than their sub30 weapon spec
Ranger with high bow are relegated to lurikeen
And it seems that if you drop bow low enough for any decent weapon spec you are the wrong race and of spec
Lurikeen 48 bow pf for best flight and 40 stealth for speed
Weapon is almost pointless
I think hunter is the best sniper
Still has good melee damage and the dog is very good
Don’t listen to the hunter who say otherwise
48 is rather pointless for an6-8 damage increase along any bow specdaytonchambers wrote: ↑Sun 31 May 2020 5:12 PMgotwqqd wrote: ↑Sun 31 May 2020 4:20 PMI think scout is in better place choice wise for higher/sniper bow spec
They can easily get their 45 shield and stealth
Their shield will do more damage than their sub30 weapon spec
Ranger with high bow are relegated to lurikeen
And it seems that if you drop bow low enough for any decent weapon spec you are the wrong race and of spec
Lurikeen 48 bow pf for best flight and 40 stealth for speed
Weapon is almost pointless
I think hunter is the best sniper
Still has good melee damage and the dog is very good
Don’t listen to the hunter who say otherwise
When specced for the role, a 50recurve 48PF lurikeen ranger is hands down the best sniper in the game at this point in time. 360+ dex self buffed with capped qui and their own red damage add, there is simply no comparison.
That said, ANY archer that specs 50 bow is gonna have a rough ride when caught in melee, and the only class with a shred of hope here would be a scout with that spammable root BS they have now in the shields line.
gotwqqd wrote: ↑Sun 31 May 2020 5:30 PM48 is rather pointless for an6-8 damage increase along any bow specdaytonchambers wrote: ↑Sun 31 May 2020 5:12 PMWhen specced for the role, a 50recurve 48PF lurikeen ranger is hands down the best sniper in the game at this point in time. 360+ dex self buffed with capped qui and their own red damage add, there is simply no comparison.
That said, ANY archer that specs 50 bow is gonna have a rough ride when caught in melee, and the only class with a shred of hope here would be a scout with that spammable root BS they have now in the shields line.
46 da is for the useless melee you will have
40 pf caps your quickness and allows many points to be put elsewhere
Even dropping bow to 48 which is a decrease of 6 or 7 gives a lot more flexibility
Ranger template is very easydaytonchambers wrote: ↑Thu 25 Jun 2020 10:43 PMgotwqqd wrote: ↑Sun 31 May 2020 5:30 PM48 is rather pointless for an6-8 damage increase along any bow specdaytonchambers wrote: ↑Sun 31 May 2020 5:12 PMWhen specced for the role, a 50recurve 48PF lurikeen ranger is hands down the best sniper in the game at this point in time. 360+ dex self buffed with capped qui and their own red damage add, there is simply no comparison.
That said, ANY archer that specs 50 bow is gonna have a rough ride when caught in melee, and the only class with a shred of hope here would be a scout with that spammable root BS they have now in the shields line.
46 da is for the useless melee you will have
40 pf caps your quickness and allows many points to be put elsewhere
Even dropping bow to 48 which is a decrease of 6 or 7 gives a lot more flexibility
Thread Necro. Sue me.
The red damage add applies to bow damage as well as melee damage.
The red D/Q buff on a lurikeen will absolutely overcap your quickness IF you put +75 quick into your template. So you shave those imbue points down and apply them elsewhere in your template, while still maintaining capped quickness.
I say again, when specced for the role, a 50recurve 48PF lurikeen ranger is hands down the best sniper in the game.
gotwqqd wrote: ↑Fri 26 Jun 2020 4:30 AMRanger template is very easydaytonchambers wrote: ↑Thu 25 Jun 2020 10:43 PMgotwqqd wrote: ↑Sun 31 May 2020 5:30 PM48 is rather pointless for an6-8 damage increase along any bow spec
46 da is for the useless melee you will have
40 pf caps your quickness and allows many points to be put elsewhere
Even dropping bow to 48 which is a decrease of 6 or 7 gives a lot more flexibility
1: The red damage add applies to bow damage as well as melee damage.
2: The red D/Q buff on a lurikeen will absolutely overcap your quickness IF you put +75 quick into your template. So you shave those imbue points down and apply them elsewhere in your template, while still maintaining capped quickness.
I say again, when specced for the role, a 50recurve 48PF lurikeen ranger is hands down the best sniper in the game.
No need to spare quickness through template and need spend 91 spec points better spent elsewhere
I prefaced the hunter comment about when no aiddaytonchambers wrote: ↑Fri 26 Jun 2020 8:35 AMgotwqqd wrote: ↑Fri 26 Jun 2020 4:30 AMRanger template is very easydaytonchambers wrote: ↑Thu 25 Jun 2020 10:43 PM1: The red damage add applies to bow damage as well as melee damage.
2: The red D/Q buff on a lurikeen will absolutely overcap your quickness IF you put +75 quick into your template. So you shave those imbue points down and apply them elsewhere in your template, while still maintaining capped quickness.
I say again, when specced for the role, a 50recurve 48PF lurikeen ranger is hands down the best sniper in the game.
No need to spare quickness through template and need spend 91 spec points better spent elsewhere
If I want to be a pure sniper I want as much dex as possible. That's what is being discussed here. Those 91pts are going to be wasted if you try to build melee viability into an archer that's specced 48-50bow, and you're a fool that's just theorycrafting with no experience if you think otherwise. The reason I bring this up is because you posted that hunters make the best snipers, which is just flat out wrong. Hunters may be a better HYBRID spec class in some cases, but as far as whacking a target for top damage with a bow Ranger comes out on top 10 times out of 10.
My ranger is in the low rr7s, and my hunter is just shy of rr5.
With a 5.5 speed bow, more dex, built in damage add, my ranger blows the doors off my hunter when it comes to shooting at people, and my ranger isn't even specced as a full sniper. My hunter will gain a little dps once she's rr5 but will still be way behind due solely to the fact that I don't have access to a 5.5 speed bow so I will never hit as hard with the same spec setup as a ranger. Period.
daytonchambers wrote: ↑Fri 26 Jun 2020 8:35 AMgotwqqd wrote: ↑Fri 26 Jun 2020 4:30 AMRanger template is very easydaytonchambers wrote: ↑Thu 25 Jun 2020 10:43 PM1: The red damage add applies to bow damage as well as melee damage.
2: The red D/Q buff on a lurikeen will absolutely overcap your quickness IF you put +75 quick into your template. So you shave those imbue points down and apply them elsewhere in your template, while still maintaining capped quickness.
I say again, when specced for the role, a 50recurve 48PF lurikeen ranger is hands down the best sniper in the game.
No need to spare quickness through template and need spend 91 spec points better spent elsewhere
If I want to be a pure sniper I want as much dex as possible. That's what is being discussed here. Those 91pts are going to be wasted if you try to build melee viability into an archer that's specced 48-50bow, and you're a fool that's just theorycrafting with no experience if you think otherwise. The reason I bring this up is because you posted that hunters make the best snipers, which is just flat out wrong. Hunters may be a better HYBRID spec class in some cases, but as far as whacking a target for top damage with a bow Ranger comes out on top 10 times out of 10.
My ranger is in the low rr7s, and my hunter is just shy of rr5.
With a 5.5 speed bow, more dex, built in damage add, my ranger blows the doors off my hunter when it comes to shooting at people, and my ranger isn't even specced as a full sniper. My hunter will gain a little dps once she's rr5 but will still be way behind due solely to the fact that I don't have access to a 5.5 speed bow so I will never hit as hard with the same spec setup as a ranger. Period.
daytonchambers wrote: ↑Sat 30 May 2020 4:36 PMIt came in the form of crit shot no longer having an increased chance to uncover you when shooting, and pen arrow 2 punching bladeturn.
And speaking as a player of multiple archer classes.... that alone plus the damage boost is more than enough
imweasel wrote: ↑Sat 27 Jun 2020 1:10 PMdaytonchambers wrote: ↑Sat 30 May 2020 4:36 PMIt came in the form of crit shot no longer having an increased chance to uncover you when shooting, and pen arrow 2 punching bladeturn.
And speaking as a player of multiple archer classes.... that alone plus the damage boost is more than enough
Still think it's enough with the damage boost now?
I certainly don't think so...
imweasel wrote: ↑Sat 27 Jun 2020 1:10 PMdaytonchambers wrote: ↑Sat 30 May 2020 4:36 PMIt came in the form of crit shot no longer having an increased chance to uncover you when shooting, and pen arrow 2 punching bladeturn.
And speaking as a player of multiple archer classes.... that alone plus the damage boost is more than enough
Still think it's enough with the damage boost now?
I certainly don't think so...
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑Sat 27 Jun 2020 10:43 AMWith 48 PF and high Archery a Ranger will put out the best solo Archery damage but has ZERO tools to control a ranged fight. This is where the Hunter excels. The Scout is the second best in a fight vs other Archers, but that's about it.
Horus wrote: ↑Sat 27 Jun 2020 6:24 PMimweasel wrote: ↑Sat 27 Jun 2020 1:10 PMdaytonchambers wrote: ↑Sat 30 May 2020 4:36 PMIt came in the form of crit shot no longer having an increased chance to uncover you when shooting, and pen arrow 2 punching bladeturn.
And speaking as a player of multiple archer classes.... that alone plus the damage boost is more than enough
Still think it's enough with the damage boost now?
I certainly don't think so...
Not many archers in the game have higher bow dmg than me. 50(+19) bow, 48 PF, Full aug dex, MoA to max the PF buffs. 5.5 speed MP bow. With that I have zero melee...no chance at all if it gets to melee range. It is the ultimate all or nothing. If I lose the interrupt initiative, I'm dead, if someone gets into melee range, I'm dead. I have no tools to counter that.
I can say the dmg seems a bit sub par for the points spent An ellyll sage can out heal my bow dmg. That is frustrating. The penetrating arrow thing is OK I guess. For me I still use rapid fire to clr the bubble then use a crit shot. I hate having my crit shot dmg cut in half...and with the 15 sec delay...that is forever before you can do another.
It was great when they 1st made the change ....maybe a bit too much when you factored in 3 str relics. But now they have pushed it back too far.
And now it just encourages the behavior they didn't want...archer groups. You almost have to grp to get kills. When the dmg was better I was roaming around solo because at least I knew I had a solo chance. Now it is back to running with a bg or hanging around a group of archers camping walls, docks etc.
Horus wrote: ↑Sat 27 Jun 2020 6:24 PMimweasel wrote: ↑Sat 27 Jun 2020 1:10 PMdaytonchambers wrote: ↑Sat 30 May 2020 4:36 PMIt came in the form of crit shot no longer having an increased chance to uncover you when shooting, and pen arrow 2 punching bladeturn.
And speaking as a player of multiple archer classes.... that alone plus the damage boost is more than enough
Still think it's enough with the damage boost now?
I certainly don't think so...
Not many archers in the game have higher bow dmg than me. 50(+19) bow, 48 PF, Full aug dex, MoA to max the PF buffs. 5.5 speed MP bow. With that I have zero melee...no chance at all if it gets to melee range. It is the ultimate all or nothing. If I lose the interrupt initiative, I'm dead, if someone gets into melee range, I'm dead. I have no tools to counter that.
I can say the dmg seems a bit sub par for the points spent An ellyll sage can out heal my bow dmg. That is frustrating. The penetrating arrow thing is OK I guess. For me I still use rapid fire to clr the bubble then use a crit shot. I hate having my crit shot dmg cut in half...and with the 15 sec delay...that is forever before you can do another.
It was great when they 1st made the change ....maybe a bit too much when you factored in 3 str relics. But now they have pushed it back too far.
And now it just encourages the behavior they didn't want...archer groups. You almost have to grp to get kills. When the dmg was better I was roaming around solo because at least I knew I had a solo chance. Now it is back to running with a bg or hanging around a group of archers camping walls, docks etc.
Forlornhope wrote: ↑Sun 28 Jun 2020 1:47 AMHorus wrote: ↑Sat 27 Jun 2020 6:24 PMimweasel wrote: ↑Sat 27 Jun 2020 1:10 PMStill think it's enough with the damage boost now?
I certainly don't think so...
Not many archers in the game have higher bow dmg than me. 50(+19) bow, 48 PF, Full aug dex, MoA to max the PF buffs. 5.5 speed MP bow. With that I have zero melee...no chance at all if it gets to melee range. It is the ultimate all or nothing. If I lose the interrupt initiative, I'm dead, if someone gets into melee range, I'm dead. I have no tools to counter that.
I can say the dmg seems a bit sub par for the points spent An ellyll sage can out heal my bow dmg. That is frustrating. The penetrating arrow thing is OK I guess. For me I still use rapid fire to clr the bubble then use a crit shot. I hate having my crit shot dmg cut in half...and with the 15 sec delay...that is forever before you can do another.
It was great when they 1st made the change ....maybe a bit too much when you factored in 3 str relics. But now they have pushed it back too far.
And now it just encourages the behavior they didn't want...archer groups. You almost have to grp to get kills. When the dmg was better I was roaming around solo because at least I knew I had a solo chance. Now it is back to running with a bg or hanging around a group of archers camping walls, docks etc.
Based on what you were saying, the damage of going as high bow as you have+the ridiculous amount of PF is not worth it. Why not just respec to something more reasonable?
Horus wrote: ↑Sun 28 Jun 2020 2:08 AMForlornhope wrote: ↑Sun 28 Jun 2020 1:47 AMHorus wrote: ↑Sat 27 Jun 2020 6:24 PMNot many archers in the game have higher bow dmg than me. 50(+19) bow, 48 PF, Full aug dex, MoA to max the PF buffs. 5.5 speed MP bow. With that I have zero melee...no chance at all if it gets to melee range. It is the ultimate all or nothing. If I lose the interrupt initiative, I'm dead, if someone gets into melee range, I'm dead. I have no tools to counter that.
I can say the dmg seems a bit sub par for the points spent An ellyll sage can out heal my bow dmg. That is frustrating. The penetrating arrow thing is OK I guess. For me I still use rapid fire to clr the bubble then use a crit shot. I hate having my crit shot dmg cut in half...and with the 15 sec delay...that is forever before you can do another.
It was great when they 1st made the change ....maybe a bit too much when you factored in 3 str relics. But now they have pushed it back too far.
And now it just encourages the behavior they didn't want...archer groups. You almost have to grp to get kills. When the dmg was better I was roaming around solo because at least I knew I had a solo chance. Now it is back to running with a bg or hanging around a group of archers camping walls, docks etc.
Based on what you were saying, the damage of going as high bow as you have+the ridiculous amount of PF is not worth it. Why not just respec to something more reasonable?
You would think but as I keen ranger who has tried every spec imaginable there just really isn't another option. I don't believe in the hybrid spec. I tried it for a while, Bow damage is even more frustrating and still can't win melee fights vs full melee spec 'sins or any other tankish or pet class. I think you are really kind of stuck, Either full melee shar or celt, or full bow keen Ranger. Just my opinion...
Horus wrote: ↑Sun 28 Jun 2020 2:08 AMForlornhope wrote: ↑Sun 28 Jun 2020 1:47 AMHorus wrote: ↑Sat 27 Jun 2020 6:24 PMNot many archers in the game have higher bow dmg than me. 50(+19) bow, 48 PF, Full aug dex, MoA to max the PF buffs. 5.5 speed MP bow. With that I have zero melee...no chance at all if it gets to melee range. It is the ultimate all or nothing. If I lose the interrupt initiative, I'm dead, if someone gets into melee range, I'm dead. I have no tools to counter that.
I can say the dmg seems a bit sub par for the points spent An ellyll sage can out heal my bow dmg. That is frustrating. The penetrating arrow thing is OK I guess. For me I still use rapid fire to clr the bubble then use a crit shot. I hate having my crit shot dmg cut in half...and with the 15 sec delay...that is forever before you can do another.
It was great when they 1st made the change ....maybe a bit too much when you factored in 3 str relics. But now they have pushed it back too far.
And now it just encourages the behavior they didn't want...archer groups. You almost have to grp to get kills. When the dmg was better I was roaming around solo because at least I knew I had a solo chance. Now it is back to running with a bg or hanging around a group of archers camping walls, docks etc.
Based on what you were saying, the damage of going as high bow as you have+the ridiculous amount of PF is not worth it. Why not just respec to something more reasonable?
You would think but as I keen ranger who has tried every spec imaginable there just really isn't another option. I don't believe in the hybrid spec. I tried it for a while, Bow damage is even more frustrating and still can't win melee fights vs full melee spec 'sins or any other tankish or pet class. I think you are really kind of stuck, Either full melee shar or celt, or full bow keen Ranger. Just my opinion...
Horus wrote: ↑Sat 27 Jun 2020 6:24 PMFor me I still use rapid fire to clr the bubble then use a crit shot. I hate having my crit shot dmg cut in half...and with the 15 sec delay...that is forever before you can do another.
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