Dark RM, Ice Wiz, Hib ?? Dmg Debuff nuke 20s CD timer

Thoughts of for or against why their should be a 20s timer on a nuke +10% debuff spell? It's not something I would consider OP, has lesser dmg delve to cast and is more likely to be resisted due to the debuff component. So my question is if it'd be possible to do like live(?) and remove the 20s timer. In pve I generally have already killed a mob far before 20s is up and can't even use my spell for my next pull. In pvp I can't see how it'd be game break / op to be allowed to use it quicker. Anyone else have an opinion on this, is it something that can be changed?

P.S. I dunno which hib class gets the DD + Debuff if such a line exists for them.

https://strawpoll.com/652rxb61 <--- votey thing if anyone cares.

Thu 9 Aug 2018 2:48 PM by heardstheword

What I find interesting is that the AoE dmg+Debuff (for RM's at least) has no cooldown.

Thu 9 Aug 2018 3:12 PM by Ayb

Strange I thought on Nixian's it said it did. Regardless I am talking about both the single target and the aoe with debuff. It just seems silly to me for both to have a 20s cd.

Thu 9 Aug 2018 3:32 PM by

gruenesschaf

There shouldn't be one. The confusion comes from most 1.65 char planners saying there is one, 1.66 fixed it saying it was a delve only fix. The reason we have it is that sometimes this is reported and the wb who looks at it doesn't know that and looks at the available 1.65 info, sees the 20 sec cd and adds it.

Thu 9 Aug 2018 4:47 PM by heardstheword

The single target debuff nuke did have a timer as of a few weeks ago, but it may have been fixed in a patch.

My RM definitely used the debuff for the baseline cold nuke. The single target has(had) the timer, but AoE does not.

Thu 9 Aug 2018 5:31 PM by daocgod

hib never got one.
what I would like to see is wizards get disease and nearsight like they did way later, it would make the class a bit more viable.

Thu 9 Aug 2018 6:24 PM by Ayb

gruenesschaf wrote: ↑
Thu 9 Aug 2018 3:32 PM
There shouldn't be one. The confusion comes from most 1.65 char planners saying there is one, 1.66 fixed it saying it was a delve only fix. The reason we have it is that sometimes this is reported and the wb who looks at it doesn't know that and looks at the available 1.65 info, sees the 20 sec cd and adds it.

My RM at least on the lvl 1-20 spells with the Debuff nuke -does- have the 20s cd on it's debuff nuke, so if this isn't supposed to be there for Phoenix then hopefully yall will change that.

Fri 10 Aug 2018 2:40 AM by cdc

There is no cooldown on RM dd+debuff, single or AE.

Fri 10 Aug 2018 2:42 AM by Thonlo

cdc wrote: ↑
Fri 10 Aug 2018 2:40 AM
There is no cooldown on RM dd+debuff, single or AE.

Right, there isn't now. But as of a couple days ago the DD+Debuff had a 20 sec timer. Now it's gone.