Amber and emerald simulacrum proc rates nerfed without patch notes - can someone explain?

After checking charplan (since its last update) I noticed that suddenly Amber sim's stun proc rate was lowered from 25% to 10%
Emerald sim's poison proc rate was also lowered from 30%+ (don't remember the exact number) to 15%, and the duration was changed from 20s to 30s, and its damage was reduced from 20+ to 12. I'm quite sure the disease proc rate was lowered from 35 or 40+ to 30% as well. If you watch old Cab vids Emerald disease is constantly flying.

I'm absolutely sure of this because I regularly double checked this list while I was leveling. I compared it to the SM pet's proc chance, which is 25%. I thought it was silly for both pets to have 25% when the SM pet intercepts, lifetaps, DDs and bladeturns (although I noticed several of these proc chances have been lowered, as well).

Now on top of the Amber sim stun range not working, Amber sim has a 10% chance to proc stun, whereas the SM pet intercepts, has 25% chance to stun, 10% chance to proc BT, 10% chance to proc LT, 5% chance to proc DD? And the intercept damage was reduced?

Here's my test on amber simmy. 32 procs out of 268 successful swings.

https://pastebin.com/xkPQmsBp

On live 1.65-1.220s, a swing wasn't required - Amber sim would insta cast stun from 700 range. If they were rooted or on the door below you on a tower they would still stun anyone within range if their master sent them to attack.

Thu 9 May 2019 5:36 AM by

gruenesschaf

Why would you assume the stun is a melee proc. It's the same spell as the druid, sm and theurgist air pet, an instant cast range stun.

Thu 9 May 2019 8:17 AM by teiloh

gruenesschaf wrote: ↑
Thu 9 May 2019 5:36 AM
Why would you assume the stun is a melee proc. It's the same spell as the druid, sm and theurgist air pet, an instant cast range stun.

You can test this by rooting the mob in question, or otherwise making it so they can't reach you. On live, this causes them to spam you with the "proc." I haven't been able to get them to do it here. I haven't seen druid or SM pets cast at 300 range, either.

On charplan, it's also described as a proc.

Casting at range isn't appearing more than 1/1000 - 1/500 from what I've seen, and it seems to only work on specific geography hitches. My guess is that there could be an LOS issue that is requiring pets to basically be in melee range before their range stuns can engage.

That said the Emerald/Sapph spells are definitely procs when they were instas back on live, and the Phoenix Em Sim proc rates and proc itself have been changed. Not sure on Druid/SM. I remember complaints about range and proc frequency.

Tue 21 May 2019 5:45 PM by teiloh

gruenesschaf wrote: ↑
Thu 9 May 2019 5:36 AM
Why would you assume the stun is a melee proc. It's the same spell as the druid, sm and theurgist air pet, an instant cast range stun.

From field testing, it looks like SM pet proc is going off way more than Amber's now. Whatever the "proc rate" is as its described on charplan, it seems to reflect the state of these pets performance in combat.

Tue 21 May 2019 7:32 PM by Quik

gruenesschaf wrote: ↑
Thu 9 May 2019 5:36 AM
Why would you assume the stun is a melee proc. It's the same spell as the druid, sm and theurgist air pet, an instant cast range stun.

I always assumd it was a melee proc because in the entire time I have play cabby on Pheonix in beta, I never once saw him proc this until he was actually meleeing and I never once saw him proc if the mob moved out of melee range.

Wed 22 May 2019 1:03 PM by Ardri

No response to ninja nerfing. Quite puzzling. If you play the class, it's very obvious all the pets were nerfed, especially amber pet stun.

Fri 31 May 2019 9:55 PM by teiloh

Ardri wrote: ↑
Wed 22 May 2019 1:03 PM
No response to ninja nerfing. Quite puzzling. If you play the class, it's very obvious all the pets were nerfed, especially amber pet stun.

Every single Alb pet has been nerfed atm. Mentalist still has great pets with Phoenix custom buffs (dullahan, far darrig) available near Hib border zone that literally do 3-4x the dps any pet on Alb.

Wed 5 Jun 2019 10:20 PM by teiloh

gruenesschaf wrote: ↑
Thu 9 May 2019 5:36 AM
Why would you assume the stun is a melee proc. It's the same spell as the druid, sm and theurgist air pet, an instant cast range stun.

https://pastebin.com/xQKMpFE6 - SM "proc" test. 774 hits, 228 attempts to cast.

29.5% proc rate

https://pastebin.com/xkPQmsBp - Cabalist "proc" test. 268 hits, 32 attempts to cast.

12% proc rate.

Two findings:

1) Regardless of whether it is technically a proc or not, the "proc rate" holds up on tests with several hundred swings. These are thus not the same ability - proc rate and range, as they are elaborated on charplan, matter.
2) Amber pets were definitely nerfed, logged on charplan and observed on live

Amber pets should have a significantly higher proc rate compared to Druid and SM pets at this patch level, should proc at a higher range (from bottom of tower to oil level, at least). This is sensible from game balance perspective as well:

Amber - 10% stun proc, self con
Spirit Pet - 50-80% intercept, 25% stun proc, 10% bladeturn proc, 10% lifetap proc, 5% DD proc

Fri 7 Jun 2019 3:02 PM by teiloh

https://pastebin.com/CYDqvX1j

Looks like the proc rate is fixed as of today.

Fri 7 Jun 2019 5:22 PM by teiloh

but now the proc is Spirit, changed from Body ... so Cabs can no longer debuff it?

Another undocumented change?