Fairfight list - Phoenix Freeshard

There is /fairfight list for solo/smallman (that nobody uses). In order to promote more use of the list and help solve the 1v1 / smallman problem I suggest the following:

Combine the GvG and Fairfight lists. If you are on the GvG list and add a small-man or solo that is on the /fairfight list, then you are auto-removed from the GvG list and can't come back for 30 minutes. You should not be on a list that promotes clean fights and have no penalty for adding all the solos and smallmans. Either play one style or the other. You can't be on a "clean fight" list and have no penalty if you roll over everyone.

Thu 24 Dec 2020 6:51 AM by Hedien

bculpepper wrote: ↑
Thu 24 Dec 2020 6:32 AM
If you are on the GvG list and add a solo that is on the /fairfight list, then you are auto-removed from the GvG list and can't come back for 30 minutes.

I am against this. You would never fight...

Sat/Faturday.

Thu 24 Dec 2020 9:06 AM by Taniquetil

bculpepper wrote: ↑
Thu 24 Dec 2020 6:32 AM
There is /fairfight list for solo/smallman (that nobody uses). In order to promote more use of the list and help solve the 1v1 / smallman problem I suggest the following:

Combine the GvG and Fairfight lists. If you are on the GvG list and add a small-man or solo that is on the /fairfight list, then you are auto-removed from the GvG list and can't come back for 30 minutes. You should not be on a list that promotes clean fights and have no penalty for adding all the solos and smallmans. Either play one style or the other. You can't be on a "clean fight" list and have no penalty if you roll over everyone.

Seems reasonable. Either youre searching for honourable fights or youre not, but that desire for respect needs to go both ways, and realistically that respect needs to come from the larger group down to the smaller grps first.

Equally if a small/solo add that gvg theyre also insta removed.

Ofc if u disagree with this dont join gvg or fairfight and nothing changes for you

Thu 24 Dec 2020 9:10 AM by

Uthred

We will not punish players for adding or not adding and/or for killing lesser numbers.

Thu 24 Dec 2020 11:34 AM by Sepplord

Uthred wrote: ↑
Thu 24 Dec 2020 9:10 AM
We will not punish players for adding or not adding and/or for killing lesser numbers.

Isn't adding GvG groups forbidden when your group is also on the list?

All OP is suggesting is to extend that rule, that is already in place, onto other groupsizes that are using the fairfight list (with a very minor punishment of being removed from the fairfight list for a short time period).

Doesn't sound like an unreasonable suggestion to me but maybe i am not seeing the unfair downsides.

I Hope suggestions Like this don't get thrown into the same pot with the stuff striperella suggested in the other thread

Thu 24 Dec 2020 12:18 PM by Taniquetil

Uthred wrote: We will not punish players for adding or not adding and/or for killing lesser numbers.

Imo with the gvg command there is an inherent level of punishment to smallman included in it, even if accidentally.

GVG Rules:
1. You are only allowed to use the gvg command if you are really looking for clean fights.

This enforces a certain level of automatic respect in fights for 8mans (nice), the ask here is that respect is extended to the smaller groups, otherwise there is no incentive for the smaller group to not add said 8v8, the 8v8 grps just have the advantage of knowing/needing to pull off if there are adds, so the smaller group can be killed. Thus meaning the small grp gets no incentive to not add, but the 8mans are incentivised to punish them for doing so. A lose lose for the smallman

2. Using the gvg command only to find out about the location of certain groups is strictly forbidden.
3. Running in higher numbers than 8 and using the gvg command is strictly forbidden.

i appreciate there would be a level of challenge here to uphold this rule if lists were merged, perhaps anonymising the location of any groups not matching your size, just letting you know theyre on the list

4. When being listed for gvg it is strictly forbidden to add on 8vs8 fights of other gvg listed groups.

only small request to change this to it being forbidden to add on smallmans too, this combined with the new smallman changes seem fair

5. If a group doesn’t accept a /gvg cleanfight it is not allowed to send multiple /gvg cleanfights to the same group for the same fight again.

said smallman/solo could also be responsible for deciding if said group had honorably spared their lives, to mitigate abuse of the new command

Thu 24 Dec 2020 1:08 PM by Lilou07

Well that's a great idea!
Still would be nice to have a visible tag on ppl in the GvG / fairfight list.

Thu 24 Dec 2020 5:51 PM by bculpepper

Uthred wrote: ↑
Thu 24 Dec 2020 9:10 AM
We will not punish players for adding or not adding and/or for killing lesser numbers.

First - I really appreciate you reading and following up on the suggestion. Completely realize this is a free server and the work you guys do is volunteer so thanks for you work!

Second - I agree that you don't want to punish players. I just don't consider removal from a GvG list as a punishment. By virtue of having the list you have created a subclass of players who have flagged themselves as looking for clean/fair fights. I only suggest that if you are on the list you must stick to it. There isn't any reason a group could not remove themselves and roam the zones killing solo/small/eights and doing that. Then later add themselves and stick to the 8v8 only. The unfair part is for the rest of us where the 8-mans have a special list and protections (other GvG can't add them) while solos / smallmans get nothing of the sort.

Sat 26 Dec 2020 4:32 AM by Hedien

Just a general feedback on the fairfight list.

1. People in the fairfight list, can be toggled on, even though they are afk in the relic town for hours.
2. Today I tried (again) to use the fairfight list. We were 2. He was hadrian... 5 min later, I am in Hadrian solo zone. I do 3 walk around the solo area. Nothing. I go in the plain near berk, nothing. Until, after 5 min of roaming, I find myself beno docks... where there was a lot of action. But the fairfighter was nowhere to be seen.

I feel fairfightlist locations are a little too imprecise.
I would recommend to add more hint, and to at least display if in keep or relic town since it might very well be an afk.

Sat/Faturday.

Sat 26 Dec 2020 7:51 AM by Rasilaorc

Hello, me and my group always run small man once a week, always on the fairfight list, and sometimes there are enemies on, so we go for them and get really nice and fair fights. Some times we loose some times we stomp the lower grps, after 3 times lost against a group we avoid them and after stomping some groups they leave the list. There is missing a reward for for fighting a fair small man fight for the looser.... So they can say OK they are stronger but its not complete waste of time and the taste of losing is a little bit sweet.
And I think there are more and more 8man which let you fight fair if you let them.... Sometimes it is difficult to see for them when you run on5 if you are 8 or not on Inc. Thx see you in battle

Thu 31 Dec 2020 3:50 AM by joshisanonymous

Uthred wrote: ↑
Thu 24 Dec 2020 9:10 AM
We will not punish players for adding or not adding and/or for killing lesser numbers.

I generally feel good about how you guys develop this server, but this is frankly an absurd response. If getting kicked off the GvG list is so bad that it's considered a "punishment", then maybe the GvG list is offering way too many benefits for that playstyle.